Embodying Myth and Magic: A Journey with Rachel Roberts
What does it mean to truly embody myth and magic in everyday life? This week on Your Average Witch, we are thrilled to welcome Rachel Roberts, an extraordinary author and the founder of Wolf Woman Rising. Rachel opens up about her fascinating journey integrating mythology, nature, and wolf wisdom into her teachings and upcoming book, "Wolf." Drawing from her Welsh heritage and druid lineage, Rachel discusses how her spiritual practice is both a solitary pursuit and a devoted service to the community, all while sharing her whimsical love for sacred dance and flower essences.
Rachel’s candid discussion on the evolution of witchcraft and priestessing offers a transformative perspective on spiritual growth. Comparing the nurturing of the soul to traditional nursing, she reveals how embracing flexibility and curiosity can shift one's craft from an escape to a powerful preparation for service. Rachel’s transparent conversations about battling imposter syndrome and trusting one's role as a channel for higher purposes provide hope and inspiration, showcasing how joy and authenticity can impact others profoundly.
In the latter part of our chat, Rachel dives into the significance of Goddess Lupa and her white wolf spirit guide, offering guidance on overcoming self-judgment and embracing life's cliches as genuine experiences. From humorous anecdotes involving pepper soup mishaps to heartfelt stories about her late friends' influence on her spiritual journey, Rachel emphasizes the importance of courage, laughter, and living fully. Don't forget to check out additional resources on Rachel's website.
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Kim: 0:04
Welcome back to your Average Witch, where every Tuesday, we talk about witch life, witch stories and sometimes a little witchcraft. Your Average Witch is brought to you by Crepuscular Conjuration. If you want to join our community and be part of the hive, join us at facebookcom. Slash groups slash hivehouse. This week I'm talking to Rachel, an author in Wales. We talked about using dance to experience magic, using history as a magical tool and using magic to better the world. Now let's get to the stories. Hi, rachel, welcome to the show. Hi, thank you for having me here. Can you please introduce yourself and let everybody know who you are and what you do and where they can find you? Of course, yeah, so I'm Rachel Roberts.
Rachel: 0:55
I am the founder of Wolf when Rising, which is my wisdom school, where I guide people in embodying mythology, connecting to nature and wolf wisdom through my books and my writings. So I explore ancient mythology and then I share that, we explore that together, and then I work with flower essences, sacred dance and generally pretending to be a wolf, which is always fun. So I have my second book Wolf is actually coming out in two weeks time. So, um, that's got almost yay, I know. Um, so that's got a lot of the wolf wisdom that I share in it. And um, yeah, apart from that, uh, yeah, I'm an author, of course, as I just explained. Uh, I dance all the time.
Rachel: 1:39
I live here in north wales up in the mountains. Uh, from druid lineage, I love the trees, the lakes, that's nice. I love it here. You know my ancestors have been here for um a very long time, so you know you can do those little dna things. Um, my mum did that. There was like nothing apart from wales, like absolutely nothing else. I was like gosh, they like they've been here since like before Adam and Eve, like there must have been some kind of incest going on because to never leave like such a small country, oh gosh. But yeah, I know I love it here and I think it it makes me who I am, you know, because of the sea and the. You know, merlin, the dragons, the mountains.
Kim: 2:23
I really want to go there. One of my friends visit annually. He's an author and he goes wow bases some of his books, some of the scenes in wales and I really want to go, oh yes I mean hello, look at it this is beautiful. I'm biased, of course, but yeah, it's beautiful do you have a website or anything like that?
Rachel: 2:48
I do, yeah, it's wolfwomanrisingcom and I have everything on there, so books, workshops. A little bit more about me, if anybody wants to know my background as well.
Kim: 2:58
Yeah so what does it mean to you to call yourself a witch?
Rachel: 3:08
so for me that term is very personal. It's like what I am when I'm alone, you like, um, so like professionally I I would console my consider myself professionally a priestess. So that's who I am. When I'm in service, when I'm offering, when I'm teaching, when I'm writing, and then the term witch for me is very it's me when I'm alone in the woods or when I'm trying to sleep at night and the thoughts are coming through, or, you know, it's like, it's very like. I know that, you know, because witch lands, isn't it for different, for everybody? And a lot of people feel it's like when they're part of a coven, you know, and they're with other people. Yet for me it's when, actually, when I'm alone, it's when I'm nothing but Rachel, it's when I'm not in any of my roles, when I'm not actually sometimes even doing anything. You know, it's just the magic of just being me. That that's, that's how it lands for me.
Kim: 4:00
I really like that the way you delineated it. When I'm in service, I'm this. I've never thought of that, as I love that. That you're a different person, that's cool. I mean not that you're. For me, it would be a different person because I have to put on a different personality if I'm going out in public. I have to put it on me I'm a normal adult human costume when I leave the house.
Rachel: 4:27
Yeah, yeah, but it is. It's like, it's like, yeah, and it is. It is like different costumes, because we're embodying something different, aren't we? In different contexts, I think? Um, so you know which, for me, would be singing really badly in the shower? Yeah, you know. If I was to be singing really badly in the shower, yet you know, if I was to be singing of service as a priestess, I would make sure I knew the song, you know, and I'd practiced it and I was singing a deity. Yeah, exactly, um, you know, whereas you know it'd be like Bram Stein would be in the shower, just like you know, whereas you know, oh gosh.
Rachel: 5:04
I wouldn't know. Like everybody keeps mentioning it and I'm like who is she?
Kim: 5:06
but everybody keeps talking about her. I figured I'd try to be relevant yeah, she sounds amazing.
Rachel: 5:12
We love her. I'm sure she's doing lots of good in the world yeah, I'm sorry, casey.
Kim: 5:22
I don't know shit about Taylor Swift anyway, I have no idea either do you?
Rachel: 5:35
have any family history with witchcraft so I don't actually like in my family, like I, we're of the Druid lineage ancestrally, but you know whether you'd consider them, I suppose. I mean, I sometimes I think, gosh, it's, it's. They're all just labels, aren't they? They're all just names for what essentially is the same thing, which is, you know, creatively using magic for the benefit of the world and to make it a better place. Using magic for the benefit of the world and to make it a better place.
Rachel: 6:09
Um, so you know, my, my lineage, actually in the last, you know, say, 100 years, has actually been a very, very strong christian kind of background. My parents and my grandparents, um, so actually my kind of history of witchcraft would be to shun it. You know to that it's wrong, that it's bad. You know, um, and kind of part of my kind of um journey is about reclaiming my own magic. You know, despite kind of what my family may deem it to be, you know, so it's still a word that even my mother like, you know, if it, if it's said, you know it's very much kind of like oh, you know you don't want to be associated with that word, um. So, yeah, my family history with it, um, I think it's a bit of a difficult one. I'm the black sheep, so to say, of the family.
Rachel: 6:59
I relate but you know, I think that you know, even when we're in that you know those kind of situations where it it's wrong or bad or ugly, we're still kind of doing it, perhaps just don't know that we're doing it, because I remember when I was very young, you know I was, you know the kid making the potions, you know mud cakes, you know out in the garden, and I was very much a house builder. So I was building houses for creatures and beings that only I could see. I didn't, I didn't know that wasn't normal, like, and it was very much my, my private life. This is what I mean about kind of um, you know that that difference between witchcraft as a private practice, um, because even like, even in my family, you know, they accept the term priestess more than they would witch. You know, because priestess they can understand with priests, you know it's kind of, it's more understandable. It means a teacher, it means a leader, whereas witch is kind of like up to no good and Macbeth kind of, you know, yeah, cursing.
Kim: 8:02
You know they're cursing somebody with your cauldron. Great yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but a priestess is helping someone.
Rachel: 8:08
Yeah and um, honestly I do notice the difference, but yeah well, can you introduce us to your practice?
Kim: 8:19
do you have any consistent things that you do, maybe even daily?
Rachel: 8:25
yeah, for me? Yeah, of course. So, um, I like to move and be doing things. So, really, my practice has always been the way that I've created magic and the way that I've had a creative outlet has been through dancing, primarily, um, so that's something I've been doing since I was a teenager um, I've probably been younger but, you know, consciously doing it since a teenager and that's my, that's the way that things come through me, so what we would call spells.
Rachel: 8:59
You know magic words.
Rachel: 9:01
You know they come through into my head, you know, through movement, through dancing, and if I'm anywhere, like in the woods or at home, you know, and it's always movement, that is like my default.
Rachel: 9:12
That's what I go to, is like I've always said, like you know, it's funny because I'm a writer, so you think I'd be good with words, but actually I kind of feel like sometimes that my body is my instrument, my body is my vehicle. Like people are like explain yourself, and I'm like, okay, have you got 10 minutes for like an interpretive dance, because that would be a lot easier. Give me some veils and you know I can show you exactly what I mean, but try to explain it in words and it doesn't, doesn't quite come through. But you know, on the other hand, like, know, writing actually is, that has actually been, you know, a way of reclaiming, I think my witchcraft, because my dance has always been my way of me just doing it personally. And then writing has been the way that I've shared my wisdom and my creativity and my outlets with the world. So it's been my way of communicating. You know the magic.
Kim: 10:12
Whereas the dance is how I experience it myself.
Rachel: 10:18
Would you say that witchcraft has changed your life? You know, to like to change something, it means I have to be, I have to be different before, and I feel like it's something that's always been there. So I can't say that it's ever changed my life because it's always been there. Does that make sense? Yes, Like I think. When it's changed your life, you've had a sudden aha moment or you've suddenly found it and then you know, you become a different person or become yourself deeper. But I think it's always been a practice. It's always been there, you know, since my five-year-old mud cakes.
Kim: 10:53
What would you say is the biggest motivator in your practice, and has it changed since you first started out in the garden?
Rachel: 11:02
Yeah, it has. So I think, when I was younger, what would have motivated me was trying to escape, so escaping a life that I didn't enjoy, or a life that scared me, a parent, a father that scared me, a life where I didn't feel that I fit in, where I didn't feel that I fit in. So I was always aware how different I was to everybody. In school and my practice, you know, at home, you know, in the garden, it was an escape, whereas now it you know, it really becomes. When I practice my craft, it's very much I'm channeling and connecting and aligning in order to come into a place where I can be a service, where I can offer, you know, through my priestessing. So I have to use the witchcraft to kind of to ground, to connect, to remember, to get the words, to get the dance, and then the priestess then is what uses it. So now it's a time to prepare myself for giving, whereas before it was escaping.
Kim: 12:07
I like that. What would you say is your biggest struggle with witchcraft?
Rachel: 12:17
I think you know loyalty to my upbringing. So, as I mentioned, you know I come from a very different kind of um. You know background, and I think sometimes you feel obliged to keep yourself small, don't you? Or keep yourself the same, or you know loyalty to, to ancestors, you know, and to those that are still living.
Rachel: 12:40
Um, I think my biggest struggle has always been to carve my own path, because it's a path that no one else in my lineage has ever. Has ever, you know, um done before you know. So I mean, like it's just because I'm doing it a different way, like the past few generations of my family have been nurses, um, and that's a very traditional way of doing what they do, and I kind of feel myself sometimes like a spiritual nurse. You know they were nursing bodies, whereas I'm nursing the soul, but that's really quite a different thing, and so it feels like sometimes you're being disloyal. You know like you have an obligation to those that have been before to carry on. You know what, what is right and what's expected and what's normal. But I have always been a person that's triggered others, you know, has triggered change, has inspired change, and sometimes that can be really scary um, I've had to embrace that because I'm just like, well, it just happens anyway, even when I'm not trying. So you might, you know, I might as well do it.
Kim: 13:45
I might as well do it on this roller coaster. Well, exactly, yeah.
Rachel: 13:53
I know I say, but some people, honestly people, say to me sometimes oh, I just saw you, and like this happened it was like I wasn't doing anything, I was just.
Kim: 14:04
I didn't do it. Do you ever feel like you have imposter syndrome about your practice?
Rachel: 14:18
yeah, like I think sometimes I think, but, yeah, that I kind of um again. This is kind of connected with, you know, my family and my past. I think like, well, who am I to say this like, who am I to share this? Like, who gave me permission? Um, that often comes up like you know, what right do I have to be saying that? You know, there's always someone who knows better or knows more.
Rachel: 14:48
However, I have to remind myself. You know frequently, sometimes even daily, that what I'm offering is bigger than myself. You know, it is about me because I'm the channel that's coming through, but it's also not about me at all because I'm, I am of service. I'm doing it for something that's higher than myself and that's even beyond my lifetime, beyond what I could comprehend. You know, I don't know the repercussions of what I'm doing, so therefore, I just may not understand, I may not know for sure. I just have to just keep on doing it and just trust what brings you the most joy in your practice actually, you know what, knowing that I can make a difference and I will make a difference.
Rachel: 15:35
So the more that I work on myself, the more that I'll have an impact on others. So the the more you know I sort my shit out then, the more that other people can. Because you know, I know that by just embodying you know what I speak, then actually I, I kind of aspire of us to do the same. There's no point, you know, telling somebody. You know the three pillars of my school are, you know, trust, authenticity and courage. Now, who would I be to tell other people to do that if I wasn't doing it myself? You know I, you have to an American that's who you'd be An American television host.
Rachel: 16:15
That's who you'd be. You never know. My mum would love that oh gosh, I've got to show the outfit, though that would be my only. No, I wouldn't say that would be my only thing, but no, but yeah anyway, sorry.
Kim: 16:40
The outfit's important. Do I get a hat?
Rachel: 16:59
What's something that you did early on in your practice that you don't do anymore, and why don't you? I think, when I was quite young, I, I, I knew everything and I knew everything for certain. I knew exactly how it was, oh yeah, and it was, and it was nothing else other than that. I was so certain about everything and I was quite fanatic about, like I remember as a teenager, I just I'd concluded everything and I knew everything. And I think that now I have more allowance, like I am quite, I've got quite comfy in my ignorance. You know, I'm accepting of my ignorance and it enables me to continue to always be curious. So I don't, um, I don't stay stagnant. I allow myself to move and to evolve and to adapt, you know, and be flexible.
Kim: 17:40
Wow, I don't do that willingly, comfortably.
Rachel: 17:47
I know I need to.
Kim: 17:48
Let me be clear. I know I need to, but I hate it.
Rachel: 17:52
Well, I mean, I think sometimes, I think it is easy, you know, when you just, and then sometimes you are thrown into it. You know it's like you can either jump into the river or you're thrown into it and I think it's 50, 50, you know, sometimes, well, it's a dinky. Yeah, I don't know, I just um, I think, because I've seen the impact, like, like, my father was very judgmental and he was so stuck in his ways and he wouldn't move, and I've seen the impact of not moving and how it can, um, cause people to hate you and you. You know which happens anyway, but I mean, you know, but also it can cause you to be very lonely. You know, as I've seen with my father anyway, and because he offers such a profound example, I think that it's something that I'm quite you know, well practicing, and make sure I practice in having that allowance and flexibility and adaptability, because I've seen what it did to his life and I ain't going there that is my personality, so I have to continually fight that myself.
Rachel: 19:09
So I hear you yeah, yeah, and it is. You know it's a courageous thing to do to to keep choosing that. You know that you could always take it easy. You know, go the comfy way, stay comfortable, but then life's so short and you're only only getting one chance, you know, this time round, so you have to be brave you have to be brave. That hurt my brain a little bit that last phrase, that last sentence okay, I'll give you a little hand ease in what would you say is your favorite tool.
Kim: 19:53
It doesn't have to be a physical object, like can be something like a piece of music or a philosophy that you follow yeah, my favorite tool to use is actually history.
Rachel: 20:06
Um and I have a degree in a master's in history I just I adore history, but the reason I love it is because there are well beyond millions, trillions of stories and experiences there that have already been lived and therefore, wherever you are, whatever you're going through, it has been done before.
Rachel: 20:28
Yes, okay, your kind of path is going to be slightly unique, you know it's going to individual, but there's always someone that has been through something. There's always a story that you can relate to, that can give you guidance, and I just I love exploring history and finding out, like all these things that have been done in the past and they can be examples of what not to do and what to do, but it feels like a giant buffet, you know, of all these different you know kind of um possible pathways or, um, possible ways of doing it and things to learn. I just love opening up a book and you know thinking, oh, this is what they thought a thousand years ago and okay, how can I take that and apply that to now? It's such a big resource. I mean, look how much history there is. There's more than there is of the future at the moment.
Kim: 21:15
It's unlimited wow, okay, yes, yes, especially this year for Americans.
Rachel: 21:35
Oh, gosh yeah. United States people anyway, I don't envy you at all. Hey, thanks.
Kim: 21:40
I am sorry. I don't envy you at all. I'm filled with dread. I say you can all come back if you want, but you know we've not really got much to brag about.
Rachel: 21:52
I'm here in Wales, you. You know we're not doing too bad well, here's to uh surviving cheers.
Kim: 22:07
Um, how do you pull yourself out of a magical slump?
Rachel: 22:14
dancing and then, if it's a real slump, uh, dancing with flower essences. So they're the two things that I use. Um, so I'm a flower essence practitioner, um, so they have got me through everything. Um, and when they're combined it's like super powered. Um, yeah, and it depends on what I need at the time as to what flower I choose and what type of dance I choose or music I choose. So, you know, I need kind of like. If it's my, you know, it depends what the slump is about. You know, if my slump is because, you know, self-doubt, which is, in my, my heart's, hurting, I'll use something like rose and I would do a slow sensual dance. If it's like I'm just being lazy or I just resisting, you know, I'm just like. You know, like pulling a sock, I would use something a kind of a bit bit more oomph, like borage, and I would just go for it, like to like heavy metal, and just stomp it out and build the energy do you make the the essences, and will you tell?
Rachel: 23:17
me how you do it if it's not too like in depth yeah, um, so very briefly, um, the way the essence is, I mean, a flower essence is different to essential oils and essence is the soul of a plant. So what you're doing is you're building a relationship with a plant, um, asking consent, and then you just invite it to enter the body of water. Um, so you can undo that? You do. You can do that infusion, you know, by putting the plant actually in the water and while it's infusing, I'm connecting, I'm meditating, I'm creating sacred space, I'm holding the space with the soul of the plant as it offers its soul into the water. Then the water then becomes the essence I use as drops, um, some plants you can't put actually into water because, even as, even if you are just having the essence, there can be some essential oils that come through, and I wouldn't want to poison anybody that's a little different between friends some people.
Rachel: 24:23
I would, I would, I shouldn't. It's the essential thing. Um yeah, so basically that's how it is and it makes it sound.
Kim: 24:31
It is simple, you know, I it's about your connection meditation's hard well, yeah, so with another, with another being is hard, that's hard well, we all have our different skills, don't we?
Rachel: 24:49
so I suppose that's what lands and resonates for me, and then you'll have something that is really easy for you. That, for me, I would absolutely suck at. You know, like we're all meant to be contributing different things, aren't we Like? I always think about it as like we're all different parts of a body. So if we're all the whole body was just hands, it would look weird, but it wouldn't be able to walk, could it?
Rachel: 25:11
or talk you might be the mouth and I'm the hands. It can be whatever body part you want to be.
Kim: 25:22
Thank you for that horrifying vision, but it worked oh dear you'll be getting nightmares tonight it'll be like just my face, or like a body that's just hands and ooh well, thank you for telling us how to do it, telling me how to do it and everyone else.
Rachel: 25:49
I just think, if you want to use, just do it, have a go, have a try. You know, yeah, I will actually improvise.
Kim: 25:53
I know my sage you want to use something, just do it. Have a go, have a try, yeah.
Rachel: 25:55
I will actually.
Kim: 25:55
Improvise. I know my sage is about to start blooming and my rue? I'll go get it. Rue is bad, right, don't put rue in my mouth.
Rachel: 26:06
No, I wouldn't put it in the water, but you can.
Kim: 26:08
It's to soak and soak If you put it what you do is get the bowl of water and put it next to the plant, rather than putting the plant in the bowl.
Rachel: 26:21
I'll just go out to the garden and sit next to it.
Kim: 26:28
Yeah, open conversation, that's always the beginning. What?
Rachel: 26:30
is something you wish was discussed more in the witch community. I think the fact that there's no right or wrong, I think people can get quite military and dogmatic and they're like this is the way and the only way. And you know, I'm an expert and I think that you know it's different for every single person. Every single person is unique and your difference is actually what is needed. That's what's important. So I and I know people-.
Kim: 27:01
We go back to the. We're not all hands.
Rachel: 27:04
Yeah, exactly, we're not all hands, jazz hands. You know we are, but you know. But I think, but that's the thing is, you get some people that you know and it can be quite intimidating and some people are like the only way to be is to be a hand and to do this with your hand. And you're sitting over there like, well, I'm a little foot, and then you feel wrong and you feel like you should change or you're not doing it right. You know you only have to give yourself permission. I think you know just just you, and what's right for you is right for you, and you can't judge yourself and anybody else, nor can you judge anybody else for what they're doing. Just just keep to your own lane.
Kim: 27:47
Your hair is so long. Oh yeah, holy moly.
Rachel: 27:52
Oh, I'm envious oh yeah, holy moly. Oh, I'm envious. I had some. I've been going out since I was, since I was a child, and it it got so long I could do. Do you know the tale of Lady Godiva in England? Yeah, so I grew going out long enough, right, so it covered all of the important bits. Like I was, I could walk out naked and nobody would be able to see anything. Good, um, and then I went to the.
Rachel: 28:15
I went to the hairdresser and she was like, oh, there's loads of split ends because you haven't had a cut in like a decade. And she took off nine inches and I swear I had like a little meltdown because it's like for me it's like my identity, you know, it's my main. Um, I was like, oh no, like you know, you and the dentist take your teeth. Like can I keep it? I was like wipe. Oh no, like you know, you and the dentist take your teeth. Like can I keep it? I was like wipe it off the floor, yeah, so now it's just by my hips and I keep brushing it and I'm like you know, when you're brushing it you're like, oh, you're still going, and then it's not there.
Kim: 28:47
People keep saying, oh, it's long and I'm like, no, it's not. Think about the three biggest influences on your practice. Whether it is a person or a book or a pet, a deity, whatever, thank them for the effect they have on your practice so my biggest thank you goes to goddess lupa, um, and she's the one I wrote my first book about.
Rachel: 29:20
So, um, I don't know if I'd be a while to see this, but goddess lupa. So she's a she-wolf of rome and, um, she is very much in the she's mom yeah, that's, that's their she-wolf, the she-wolf yeah you get a gold star that's all.
Rachel: 29:41
I want when people know her. Yeah, so, like, for me, she has been what has facilitated my choosing, my, my dharma or my destiny, whatever you want to call it. Um, so I found her, you know, when I was in several dark nights of the soul, you know, I went through really kind of dark places and every time I would go there I kept meeting her, this white she-wolf, and she kept telling me you know, you're here for a reason, and the reason, you know, is to incubate, to awaken what is here in the deepness and the darkness of the cave and then to take it back out into the world. And so I ended up writing a book about her, you know, as my gratitude to share. You know all that she had taught me, you know.
Rachel: 30:29
So in her story, you know, as a she-wolf of Rome, she finds these two baby boys, you know, that had been put down to be drowned, and she takes them into her cave. And then yet they come out after her, no longer vulnerable, no longer innocent children, but ready to be the kings of Rome, and they end up founding the city of Rome. You know, and she will do that to whoever meets her, you know, she will initiate you into into your destiny, um, so really, she's been my biggest divine influence, um, and then in my life, um, the other two credits really need to go to, um, two friends of mine, um, uh, two male friends um, one that uh died in Peru and one that committed suicide. And both of these friends of mine were men that were in their 20s and had so much to give and were such beautiful, kind beings that were having huge impact and could do even more.
Rachel: 31:32
And I remember when they they died, you know, I just felt like what a waste. And I remember, like you know, with both of them just seeing, being so profoundly moved that I was like I can't waste this lifetime, like they haven't got a chance to live, you know, and continue doing what they were doing and and I need to, I need to make sure this matters like I won't let this life go to waste, you know, and there's some people that aren't getting the opportunity, that aren't here, and you know I'm not living for them, but they've inspired me, you know to live, you know to to live my best life and to live, uh, again, a life of service. I know I keep using that term, but that's really, you know, what they've taught me.
Kim: 32:17
I really like that. What advice do you have for someone just starting out with their practice?
Rachel: 32:32
I think very much what I was saying before about keeping to your own train tracks. So just follow your joy, follow your intuition, you know, follow what brings you pleasure. And don't look either side of you. So don't look to the right, don't look to the left, don't compare yourself to other people's trains. So I said, just keep on your train track and you, just you, just follow. You know your heart where it's leading you and you're not comparable to anybody else, so don't, don't try that.
Kim: 33:07
Now that you've seen what it's like to talk to me and you've heard the questions, who do you think you would like to see on the show to talk to me like this and answer these questions?
Rachel: 33:23
I'd love you to interview a few deities. That would be cool what can? You arrange that holy. That would make me have a nervous breakdown I've been interested to like know that jupiter give me a ring yeah, just like.
Rachel: 33:43
But I haven't seen humanity, like you know, waddling around for thousands of years and we all think that, you know, everything's really big and like this problem's so huge and they're like really, in the grand scheme of things, over thousands of years, like it's a grain of sand, like does it really matter? You know, I don't know. I just like. I love it when there's also an equal representation of masculine and feminine. Sometimes some seem to go all one way or the other. Like you either get, you know, all men on a podcast or all women on a podcast, and I love it when a man and a woman is on a podcast together and they're answering the same question, you know. So you'd have to have a, you'd have to have a threesome. I'm down for that.
Kim: 34:35
Take it in any way you want, yeah. But that is why I try that's why I'm excited to have men on the show when they when they are.
Rachel: 34:49
I like hearing different voices yeah, it's good.
Kim: 34:55
Is there anything else that you wanted to ask me? Anything that I didn't ask you? Anything you wanted to bring up? Do you have anything fancy going on? Did you have any questions for me?
Rachel: 35:08
well, things that are fancy going on. I have my second book, like said out in two weeks and that's the thing I'm most excited about at the moment, um. So, for those that are watching the video, uh, you can see it. There's an image, um, so it's called wolf and it's about embodying your inner wolf, all the ways that you know that you are untamed, that you are wild, um, that you are courageous, the way that you are the predator in the dark that just is just seeking and longing to come out, um, and be big and ferocious in the world. Um, so it's all about you know wolf mythology and then connecting to wolf deities and and be big and ferocious in the world. So it's all about you know wolf mythology and then connecting to wolf deities and how to embody your inner wolf. So tips and tools for being more wolf, you know, being courageous, being brave, being fierce.
Rachel: 35:57
So that's the thing I'm raving about at the most of the moment. It's like literally, you know, when you've been waiting for so long, like it's literally like a pregnancy, you know, and you're just being so full of this big baby for like so long, you just I just need to get it out. I'm like in labor at the moment, like just get it out. I should say that sounds like a poo, but um sorry, yeah, it's more than a poo, it's a beautiful baby there's the audio blurb for the video for the show everything comes down to poo.
Rachel: 36:42
Oh dear, oh dear, but yeah, that's the. That's the thing I'm most excited about at the moment by the time this comes out you will be able to buy the books.
Kim: 37:00
So everybody, be sure to go down in show notes and click through to buy the book.
Rachel: 37:06
Oh, yes, please, and there's lots of freebies on my website connected with it as well.
Kim: 37:15
Cool.
Rachel: 37:15
So the last three things I ask. Oh, I was going to ask you a question. I was going to ask if you've ever connected to Wolf. Like has Wolf ever manifested in your life? Like has it ever honestly, has ever been there?
Kim: 37:30
I was gonna tell you offline and not tell you during the podcast because I feel kind of weird about it, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Okay, so I did this meditation. It was a bunch of drums. I love, love rhythm and I was tripping a little bit and I was like, please, you know, if somebody's here, just come on out, who am I supposed to see right now? Who am I supposed to work with? And it was a white wolf and I thought this is so cliche. No, this is not a thing.
Rachel: 38:16
So I've ignored it Because I wished so hard.
Kim: 38:17
I was like, please let it be something cool, not like a hippo. But I thought, oh, the white wolf, I know, but I don't really want to work with them. I mean, they're terrifying.
Rachel: 38:24
Oh yeah, work with them as I mean, they're terrifying.
Kim: 38:26
Oh yeah, um, I I thought it was too cliche that I did it to myself, but now I I don't know, maybe it isn't. Maybe I should open up to that and so when you were, talking about it. I was getting excited.
Rachel: 38:43
Yeah, wolves are cool, yes, I love them, but that's the thing, you know, and I think that sometimes I mean cliche is a judgment we're kind of like again, it's a way of making ourselves small, like you know, like, oh, my experience wasn't significant or you know, oh, it's so just downplaying it a bit, whereas actually that was amazing, you, that was, that was truly wonderful, I mean, and you know, a wolf comes through, wolf guys come through when they, like I said, they need you to embody a stronger, more powerful energy, when they're telling you not to be small and not to dismiss yourself and not dismiss your experiences. So actually that will, of course, wow, that's, but that's a lesson, isn't it? You know that that that's a lesson. So maybe it was, you know, maybe just wasn't the right time. You know, maybe it'll come back again when you, when you are ready. It was just checking in just to say you ready, yet yeah, like a cake.
Rachel: 39:43
Yeah, have I risen.
Kim: 39:52
Have I started to brown? So the last two things I ask of my guests thing number one is please recommend something to the listeners. It doesn't have to be witchcraft related or magical or whatever, just something you're into this week that you'd say, hey, you should do, like your friends, something to the listeners. It doesn't have to be witchcraft related or magical or whatever, just something you're into this week that you'd say, hey, you should. You like your friends, you should really try this new soup I found at the market, whatever oh, I had a really awful soup this week.
Rachel: 40:22
Anyway, that just made me think don't like, oh no, this is my recommendation. I went, I was expecting. I went to this place and I was expected ordered this pepper soup, like as in bell peppers you like beautiful fruit peppers and, um, I ate it. And I was like my brains like blew up and I was like I can't eat this. It was so hot and they filled it. No, no, they filled it with black pepper. Oh, and I'm, I know. So. Don't put pepper in soup. That's my advice, or I won't come to your house. No, I'm sure I can cook with something better than that, let me. I'm not a very good cook, so I can't recommend anything. Anything cooking wise like pepper, you know what?
Rachel: 41:19
Like, the advice I always just like to give is just, you know, this life, this existence that you're living, is so short in comparison to all that is. You know, like I was saying so, just just do that thing that you want to do, like you know what, what are you waiting for? This is this is what I ask myself, you know. So I ask you as well what are you waiting for? Like you know, how long are you going to wait. You know, because you know the clock is ticking, because you only have that. You know this, this one life, and you know you don't want to have any regrets. You know you should just just do it and like the thing with. You know, right, with the wolf.
Rachel: 41:59
Wisdom that I share is all about being courageous. Okay, and courage I often, you know, is different to confidence and I I still don't feel a very confident person. However, I'm very courageous because I just do it anyway. Like you said, you know about throwing yourself into the water. You just throw yourself in any way and then you will learn how to. You know to swim, whereas if you just sit on the shore and watch it for your whole life, you'll never learn how to swim. You know, so just do it. And then you know, even if you kind of something, you have a little bit of a mishap, you know you're going to get an experience from that. You can't go wrong. Really, you're just learning a lesson, um, so don't worry that you're going to go wrong or something will go wrong. Just do it, and then you can always just pivot at any time. So just be courageous.
Rachel: 42:44
And you know if you're wondering about how can I be courageous, then? Find the reason you're being courageous. What's the point? There's something that will drive you. There is a you know something that you're running towards or you're running for. That is always going to be the thing that pushes you into the water. You know what is your why. If you can align with that and if you can find that you know what it is whether that's justice, whether that's you know kind of rights for women, whether that's reclaiming your own body, whatever it is that you are passionate about, that gets your fire going. That is your why. Hold on to that. That's what will make you courageous, even if you're not feeling confident, even if you feel stupid. You know, even if you feel wrong, even if you feel like you're not ready, that will get you going and get you through.
Kim: 43:35
So everybody start that thing you've been thinking about. Yeah, basically, that's what I hear yeah just do it, stop waiting for permission yeah, don't wait for the perfect time, because nothing perfection doesn't exist yeah, well, you already are perfect why thank you?
Rachel: 44:01
I know you were talking. I mean, I know it's colloquial with you, but still. I was talking about you too. I know you were talking. I mean, I know it's colloquial, you, but still, I was talking about you too.
Kim: 44:12
The last thing that I ask of guests is please tell me a story.
Rachel: 44:21
It can be a story from your life or a story that you used to hear when you were a kid, stories, so we could do a funny story like one of should I tell you one of the funniest moments in my life and I suppose there is a moral lesson to this, but, um, I hope he'll make you laugh.
Rachel: 44:48
I was, uh, traveling out in the Sahara desert.
Rachel: 44:50
I decided to go out and live with some nomads for a little while and I was there with some um other women and we went out to this festival in the middle of the Sahara desert and, um, rather than having like toilets, they'd have like a sand dune for women and a sand dune for men.
Rachel: 45:08
And I swear I'm just cracking up now because it's one of the funniest moments of my whole life and so we all decide like women do, we all decided to go to the toilet together, right, because women can't go on their own, it's just a rule and we all lined up at the top of this sand dune, right? So pull the pants down, we're going and having a wee and you have to, um, kind of like, be at the top of the sand dune and stick your butt over the edge of the sand dune so the water goes down right. Yeah, and um, one of the ladies like farted, really, really loud and it was just like I said it's the funniest thing. It was the funniest thing ever, though, right. So when it started off, we were all laughing so hard that we all started farting.
Rachel: 45:52
It was like we all just we all just put on the top of the yeah we were all just like on the top of the sand dune, just fart, fart, fart, fart. And then we were all laughing so much that one of us fell down the sand dune and then we all started like falling, like with their pants, like around our ankles, just like falling and fasting down the sand dune. Honestly, it's just like one of the funniest moments of my whole life. Just like, just anyway. That's, that's my funny story. That's perfection, oh dear, you know so if you ever find yourself weeing at the top of a sand dune, deep breaths, lodge your feet deeply in so you don't go anywhere.
Kim: 46:40
Oh dear. Well, thank you so much for being on the show and for telling us the story. Yeah Well, thank you so much for being on the show and for telling us the story. And everybody be sure to click, go down in show notes and click through give Rachel a follow, buy her book and I will see you on the internet. Bye, bye, and now Rachel, welcome to my house. Hi, so say when.
Rachel: 47:19
When.
Kim: 47:22
What class were Christians taken? The bread is the body of Christ. The bread is the body of Christ. The wine is the blood of Christ. If they're taking sacrament for you, what is the body and the blood?
Rachel: 47:39
So my blood is probably actually made of mint tea.
Kim: 47:41
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