Happy Middle of May! As a reminder, I am taking the month of May off. I remastered some of the most popular episodes from season one so you can actually hear them- and I even included some new stuff! This time I talked to Corey B of Corey's Cauldron- pre cauldron. He spins some spirit stories and we talk about inclusivity in witchcraft.
Birthday Month Remix: Corey B of Corey's Cauldron
Welcome back to Your Average Witch, where every Tuesday we talk about witch life, witch stories, and sometimes a little witchcraft. It's Taurus season, and as a reminder, I'm taking the month of May off... since I'm a Taurus. I remastered some of the most popular episodes from season one so you can actually hear them, and I even included some new stuff that I cut out the first time. I talked to Corey B of Corey's Cauldron, pre-Cauldron. He spins some ghost stories and we talk about inclusivity in witchcraft. Now, let's get to the stories.
Kim: Welcome Corey!
Corey: Hello.
Kim: It's good to have you on the show. I just clapped. I will probably have to edit that out later.
Corey: No shame.
Kim: I have no control over my body or mouth.
Corey: I mean, who does anymore, really?
Kim: Corey is a witch in the Appalachian region, and he is the official tweeter of the Witch Bitch Amateur Hour. (Corey laughs) Would you like to tell everybody what your Twitter handle is?
Corey: Yeah. So my Twitter handle is Corey G. Bowlm so it's C-O-R-E-Y-G-B-O-W-L. That is my name. And really on Twitter, the most thing that you'll see me tweet about is like just kind of witchy podcasts or just random stuff that kind of comes into mind or even me just like interacting with people that I went to high school with. But yeah, that's pretty much the biggest thing. I'm also on Instagram with the same handle. I'm vastly inactive on Instagram, but you will see me dressed up as a drag clown nun or pictures of me doing smoke cleansing, very like hashtag witchy aesthetic stuff, just kind of for fun whenever I remember to actually do so. So there's that.
Kim: What does it mean when you call yourself a witch? What does that mean to you?
Corey: So for me it's more of like understanding kind of how nature works within itself, and how we as people kind of fit within that puzzle of nature. And also respecting things that we do understand and things that we don't necessarily understand. And recognizing that there are forces at work that we don't necessarily see. There's cosmic connections and it's kind of my job as a witch to recognize that connection and honor it and kind of work within those intertwined systems, as kind of like a way of respecting what the universe has provided to me, but also what I can provide to the universe.
Kim: I see you biting off JFK there.
Corey: I didn't mean to. That was entirely unintentional. (both laugh)
Kim: Great minds, great minds. Now, when I think of a witch in my head, it's generally a woman. And as a masculine presenting person, how do you feel about that? How do you think of yourself? How do people interact with you?
Corey: Yeah. So that's definitely something that is kind of a big challenge, right? Like, so first and foremost, just kind of like for sake of kind of everyone listening, I am non-binary. My pronouns are he, him, or they, them, which we can also get to here in a little bit because it goes a little bit more broad than that. But there is kind of a disconnect for me, kind of in the community, where a lot of times, like even in like Facebook groups, right, whenever someone addresses the group as a whole, a lot of times it's like, all right, ladies, or like, they, they kind of have implied feminine characteristics for what's in their head.
And a lot of that has to do with cultural and societal upbringing, but also it's hard as someone who presents masculinely but is also non-binary, because I don't really feel specifically like a man or a woman. And if people ask me directly, what's your gender identity? Are you a man or are you a woman because it's usually how it goes. I always tell them that I'm neither and both at the same time. Because like to me, whenever I think of myself, like whenever I picture myself in my head, like there's not like a gender association. It's kind of just like I am a ball of energy and that's kind of like what I see in my head. And then like what I lovingly call my meat suit is just like kind of for decoration. And so like I will dress myself however I want, and kind of not really associate any of the clothing that I'm wearing like specifically man or woman. That being said, I am a chubby, very hairy individual with a beard. And the majority of what I wear is like jeans and a t-shirt.
So it like, to that, from the outside looking in, it looks very like masc presenting. And I totally accept that, like I'm down for that. Because then I also have my drag clown nun persona, which is my sister persona, who is very feminine. And so I kind of honor both of those within myself. But for my pronouns, if I'm talking to someone who kind of has a more rigid ideology of what gender and gender stereotypes are supposed to look like, I'll tell them that my pronouns are he, him, or they them, but if someone is kind of in the queer community or kind of has a more solid foundation for gender ideas and gender concepts, I'll actually tell them that my pronouns are any pronoun with respect.
And part of that is, and I'm sure that I'll do it at some point during this interview, I'll refer to myself as she all the time. It's just, it's something that I do. It's not really anything that I think about, it's not like a negative connotation for me or anything like that. It's just, I will refer to myself as the spectrum of pronouns without even really thinking about it, because they all just kind of feel correct for me. But with being a witch, and kind of being a queer masculine presenting person, a lot of times, like I'll read in books, like generally specifically written by women, that are like, "Women can do this and only women can do this. If a man does this, then it's not allowed." And it's like, as someone who's reading this, I'm like, wow, thanks for kind of, thanks for narrowing down my entire experience to the fact that I have a penis.
Kim: Yeah, thanks for completely discounting me.
Corey: Right. So one of the deities I follow is Hecate, and like, I to this point have not found a book that is not specifically feminine focused. And there's nothing wrong with that, but whenever, like, you're reading something it's very clear that they're not, a lot of times, they're not taking into consideration that trans people are going to read this.
Kim: Or they are. They do, Lisa Lister. And they're purposely not talking to you, they're not including you on purpose.
Corey: Right, right, exactly.
Kim: I cringe every time somebody brings that book up, or suggests it. I cringe.
Corey: Yeah, like, and it's... it makes it hard because it's like, I mean, queer people kind of live in this limbo area a lot of times, where it's like, we a lot of times have feminine and masculine traits. And a lot of queer people are trying to honor both of those systems. And I'm not saying that all queer people are trying to do that, because that's not necessarily the case. But I know a lot of queer men and queer women who feel like kind of masculine energies and feminine energies within themselves. So then whenever they go out to try to do like ritual kind of honoring those kind of opposite assigned energies, a lot of times they're met with kind of not friendly resources. And it's really alienating. I think that that's something that is what we would need to address as a witch community, especially as the witch community grows. I know that you and Charlye talked about this, where in the past, I would even say five years, the witch community has just blossomed. Which is amazing. But there's still a lot of resources and a lot of tools and stuff like that that we use and that we reference that aren't friendly to all people. It's very exclusive. And there are closed practices, and closed practices should be closed practices. I don't want to discredit that. But whenever we're talking to a group of people, we should address the entire group.
Kim: Mhmmm.
Corey: And that's the part that I really struggle with. And then on top of that, it gets really difficult because as a feminist, I'm not trying to impose what could be perceived-
Kim: Keep us down?
Corey: Right, right! Exactly. I'm not trying to impose what could be perceived as a man's voice in one of the very few female-dominated fields. But at the same time, it's not being inclusive.
Kim: We should include you.
Corey: Right, right, exactly. It's not being inclusive. So it's hard because I want to like, I'm trying to respect the fact that like, women and female identifying people don't have a lot of spaces that can just be theirs. But then, here I am as a non-binary person who presents masculinely. And I'm like, hey, while I understand where you're coming from-
Kim:: Can I get a space too?
Corey: Right, exactly. Like, I understand where you're coming from, but also like, it would be really great if like, you didn't just perceive me as a man.
Kim: Well, in my opinion, feminism, isn't about female superiority. It's about equality.
Corey: Right. And like, and that's one of the like amazing things that I love about the current iteration of feminism and quite, I've heard quite a few feminists like who are specifically practicing intersectional feminist, excuse me, intersectional feminism. Don't like flat out be like, if it ain't intersectional, it's not feminism. And like, hold firm on it. I was like, yes. (both laugh)
Kim: Now, on top of being a masculine presenting person and being gay, you also do drag.
Corey: I do. So and this is like this is always the fun part whenever I try to explain it to people. So I'm a drag clown nun.
Kim: I remember when I first got introduced to you in the group and I thought, what is happening?
Corey: Yep, yeah. (laughs) And that's how I introduce it to people. Because... I'll kind of give you a spiel in just a second. But drag clown nun is very like attention-grabbing, but it also really, really explains what it is that I do. So it works perfectly. So I'm a Sister of Perpetual Indulgence. And what that is, is we are a 501c3, so we're a nonprofit, specifically geared towards LGBT individuals. And we raise money for other nonprofits, but also we have a lot of education and outreach kind of built into our mission as well. And our mission is, we are here to promulgate joy and expiate stigmatic guilt. What that means, because that's kind of because that's a lot of like five-dollar words very quickly.
Kim: Yeah, I was thinking that. Dang, yo! (laughs)
Corey: Right, right. But like what that means is that we go out into society, kind of looking as atypical as possible. And what that does, is that actually creates space for people who don't necessarily feel comfortable being themselves. And so there's actually a psychology behind it. I don't know if the psychology was in mind whenever we were kind of founded. However, after taking a few psychology classes, there's actually something that happens with people where, if someone is kind of being like loud and awkward, it actually gives you permission subconsciously to be yourself. Because someone is already being the weird person in the room, so you can't be weirder than that; so whatever you do is totally fine.
Kim: That is magnificent.
Corey: Yeah, so like...
Kim: I wonder how many times I've been that person. (laughs)
Corey: Well, that's my thing, right? Because I'm, I'm forever the weird person in the room anyways, because like I'm loud, I'm obnoxious, I have ADHD, so I'm flitting all over the place. And so really all I did was, I just slapped a bunch of grease paint on my face, threw a plastic plate with forks on my head, and then just like go out into society as myself. So it's perfect. I love it. But then like, so then we talk about kind of like that aspect because there is, so the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, it's like, it's a parody on the Catholic Church, right? So we have sisters, we have popes, we have brothers, like it's a whole thing. There's also actually witchy ceremony associated with the organization too. Yeah. So there's actually an organization, well, I guess it's an organization? I just know it's a group of people called the fairies, which is a thing, like human people who call them, like the Radical Fairies, I'm sorry, they're called the Radical Fairies. And it's kind of...
Kim: Did you just call them human people first?
Corey: I did. (both laugh) That was entirely unintentional. That was me rambling for a moment. I apologize about that. Yes, they are in fact human and people. (both laugh)
Kim: I mean you might know of an organization of the Fae that I don't know about.
Corey: Right, very true. (laughs) But yes, they're human. I didn't even catch that. Thank you for that. So the Radical Fairies are a group of just like queer witches, essentially, and they kind of have some political standing, but mostly their focus is on witchcraft and magics. So part of the founders of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence were actually Radical Fairies. And so some of those ceremonies actually carried over. And the biggest ceremony that we do is Sacred Glitter Blessings.
Kim: Ooh.
Corey: Yes. Oh, it's wonderful.
Kim: Sounds semi-nightmarish, but also really fun to look at from a distance. For me.
Corey: It's slightly nightmarish because there's glitter involved.
Kim: Yeah, I don't want that, but I want to see it happen to someone else.
Corey: So the sacred glitter itself is there depending on... so I'm about to go into a lot of terminology, so I want to explain everything before I do. So houses are essentially chapters, and 40- or no. There were 58 chapters kind of like across the United States, and we even actually have some chapters abroad. So it's a worldwide organization. But each chapter, each house, has to kind of go through a a process to become part of the organization as a whole. At the end of that, you have an exequator, which is just a celebration of the end of your process and recognition that you are a fully-fledged house or chapter.
Part of that is that generally people will do a sacred glitter ceremony, where they actually create the house's glitter. And it's made in perpetuity. So there's generally someone who is at your exequator who has sacred glitter from previous exequators, and previous glitter ceremonies. And it's like this giant jar. And they empty this giant jar into an even more giant bowl. And then everyone who's there contributes to that bowl, either glitter, or something of power, or ashes themselves from a sacrificial fire. And then all of that gets mixed up, and then it gets redistributed to the people who are there, and then whatever is left is put back into the jar and then they'll add some more ashes like more sacred ashes and more glitter to that themselves and then like kind of go on to the next Exequator. Which then means like every house has kind of like a starter seed, and they'll dump those ashes into like their house ashes. And then like that energy will be imbued within those, and then keep going, that energy and that ceremony.
And then each individual sister can have their own stash of sacred glitter, and for me, for example, I have some from our Exequator before it, but it also has brick dust from Pulse, from the Pulse Nightclub shooting. There is dust from the Stonewall In in New York. There's dirt from the San Francisco HIV AIDS Pink Triangle. Then there's of course loads of herbs and stuff like that in it. So there's lots of common sage, there's lots of cedar and jasmine. It's absolutely crazy. And like, when you open it, you can like smell all of these like oils and herbs and stuff like that. It's a really wild experience. But we actually use that sacred glitter to put ash crosses on people's heads, like on people's foreheads if they want to, and kind of bless them, like at bars or even queer events. So if you ever see someone at a queer event walking around with an ash cross on their head, there's probably a sister nearby.
Kim: And glitter.
Corey: Yeah, there's also glitter, yeah, so I do it too. But I will tell you, a lot of times it's more so ash than it is glitter.
Kim: Good, because... (sighs) Good.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: That's really neat.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: Have you had... Now this is the witch part.
Corey: Okay.
Kim: What are some challenges you've had from family or locals? Are you out?
Corey: Yeah. Well, so it's weird. My family is not specifically religious, but they are super spiritual. I mean, I grew up doing smoke cleansing and kind of doing witchy traditions without realizing it was specifically witchy. Like we did, I remember with my grandma on my dad's side, every winter we would do pomanders.
Kim: Oh!
Corey: And I had no idea what a pomander was. I just knew that Mawmaw was sitting down with a bag of oranges and a bag of cloves and we were making Christmas ornaments. That's what we did.
Kim: Yeah, me too.
Corey: Yeah. And then Mawmaw had a Yule log. She didn't call it a Yule log, but it was always the biggest log for the woodpile that year. And she would light it on Yule and have it burn all night. And all of the kids would sleep in the living room, which is where the fireplace was, and just kind of talk and share stories and read books and stuff. We didn't even really think about it. And then my other grandma on my mom's side used Ouija boards and smoke cleansed.
Kim: Hmm!
Corey: Yeah, the Ouija board part wasn't my favorite. But like, and specifically it wasn't my favorite because she would use Ouija boards with children around without really explaining what a Ouija board was or what she was doing. But she would do smoke cleansings, and like talk to spirits, and she did, like she would go to fortune tellers to have her palm read and have tarot read. And like it wasn't atypical for my family, it's just there was always kind of like a Christian veil put over everything, which adds a very interesting layer to it because I am not Christian in any way, shape or form now. But whenever you go to a Christian church and talk about doing like smoke cleansings and using Ouija boards, you get a lot of weird looks, especially if you're going to a Southern Baptist church. (Laughs)
Kim: Yeah. I can imagine.
Corey: Yeah, so like, it's not something that I've ever really like said out loud. But I mean, I've talked to like, and even my stepmom, my stepmom is even, which, well, I wouldn't say witchy, she's spiritual, because she calls herself spiritual. But she sees spirits, and she does smoke cleansing too, and like whenever I talk to her about like the spirits that I've seen and kind of the stuff that I've experienced, she doesn't give me that look that people give you whenever you're talking about ghosts and stuff. And so it's never something that I've blatantly had to say, and usually the most that I've really encountered is like I wore I have a shirt that says resting witch face, and I wore it to go visit my dad and my stepmom. And my stepmom just like read it and she gave me a wink and she was like I like your shirt. I was like you know. You know what it says, you, you know. Yeah it's been a wonderful experience. It hurts my heart whenever I see people who are like, I'm in the broom closet and I don't have anyone to support me. Because thankfully, that's not something that I've ever had to experience, but I know what it's like to not be out, and to not have those support systems as a queer person. So it's wonderful to see Facebook communities like the WBAH podcast Facebook group, because it's kind of a sly way to have those support systems without specifically outing yourself. And I think that's just absolutely wonderful. And I think that's just absolutely wonderful. Kim: Mhmmm. Now were you raised as a Christian, or were you raised as... I don't want to say witch because it doesn't seem like your family claims that title but...
Corey: Yeah, so it's... we went to, like me and me my mom and my brother and then her subsequent husbands went to church for a little bit. I think maybe we tried the church route for about a year and a half. It didn't really stick. It wasn't really for us. And then whenever I was a teenager, I tried really hard to kind of do the whole "pray the gay away" thing, and tried to be like a good Christian so that God could fix me like that kind of stuff. Did not stick, (laughs) and it was not for me, but I've always had a level of kind of witchery around. We weren't really raised religious, like me and my brother. We were raised kind of just doing traditions without really understanding the source of those traditions. Like for example...
Kim: Hit me with a story, yeah, hit me. Yeah. Yeah.
Corey: So, like, I remember, like, we grew up smudging with white sage. That was something that we just did. We didn't really know why. It was just part of cleaning the house. So like, and it wasn't like every Saturday whenever we cleaned. It was just like, to us, it seemed kind of random. But we would get done cleaning, like, our physical spaces on like a Saturday afternoon. And then our mom would come through with a stick of white sage and just kind of go around the top corners of the rooms and just kind of muttering. And we didn't really think anything about it, because it was just something that mom did. But we knew not to talk about it. That was the thing, because we knew that for whatever reason, people in our community and in our society would just look at us weird.
So it was always a level of understanding. I think my mom realized very early that me and my brother are both connected, or mediums, or what have you. So my grandpa died- (laughs) and I don't mean to laugh but it was like I'm just thinking about like how she reacted when we told her. My grandpa died when I was like seven or eight and I remember... like the way that we would do things to, like my mom went to school and she worked nights so she would be asleep whenever me and my brother were getting ready for school, and we would have to wake her up. And so my brother would get up, go get ready, and then he would come wake me up, he would go back to bed, and then I would get ready for school, and then once I was done, I would wake him up, and then we would together go to wake my mom up so she could take us. And so I remember one morning, I was just about done getting ready, I was brushing my teeth, and to give you an idea, like we lived in a trailer literally in the middle of nowhere. Like our closest neighbor was maybe like a mile down the road and like the closest grocery store was 45 minutes away. So like we did what-
Kim: Goals.
Corey: Yeah, yeah it was crazy. Like we could walk outside and watch the mountains change color during the seasons. That was what we grew up in. I was getting ready for school and I was brushing my teeth, and the light flickered. Not necessarily an uncommon thing because we lived in the middle of nowhere, but I felt kind of this cold chill go up my spine. And I just knew that something was happening. And so I like look out into like the living room and kitchen, because the way that our trailer lined up, like if you looked down the hallway, you could see through the living room, through the kitchen and kind of like to the other bedroom at the end of the trailer.
Kim: I grew up in a trailer too.
Corey: Yeah, perfect. (laughs) So as I'm looking kind of like down the house, I watch as the light on our microwave that's like facing me, I watch it kind of slowly fade out of existence and fade back in. Like some kind of shadow had walked in front of it. And it freaked me out. It freaked me OUT. And so like, toothpaste still like in my mouth, I like run into my bedroom with my brother. And I'm like, Shane, Shane, Shane, there's something there's something in the house. And my brother was like, still like asleep. He's like, Oh, it's probably the dogs just running around outside. Like, just finish getting ready and don't wake me up again. I was like, Shane, no, there's something inside the house. And he was like, Corey, it's the dogs. Shut up. And I was like but, but, but, okay, okay, that's fine. And so I just like, go over to my dresser, and I'm like, pulling clothes out to like, put on and stuff. And I feel this like, ice cold hand, just rest on my shoulder, like someone was standing behind me. I'm getting cold chills thinking about it. And I like got dressed as quickly as possible and like spit out, because I was still holding toothpaste in my mouth at this point too. So I spit out the toothpaste and I had this little like Batmobile from like Batman and Robin that had like a little light on the front of it. And I drove it down into the kitchen and then back up. And I did that like about five or six times until my brother was finally like You're getting on my nerves. Let's just go wake up mom and she can take us to school. And like the first thing I did as a kid, I was like, oh my god, mommy. Guess what happened? There was someone in the house. Which to my mom who was in criminal, like she was taking criminal justice classes-
Kim: She went into true crime land.
Corey: Yeah, exactly. And so she like quickly just like walked through the trailer. Nothing was obviously there. And was like, someone was in or someone was outside the house? I was like, someone was inside the house. Well was it your granny? And I was like, no, it was a shadow. And my mom just kind of like looked at me and like gave me a nod. And just kind of like, all right, get in the car. Let's go. We're not gonna play with this anymore. And then that Saturday we did the smudging of the trailer, and I never made any connection with it as a kid because I was just like oh this is something we do all the time. But it was because I told her about the shadow person that was walking through the house. And just... (sighs) Crazy.
Kim: (whispers) That's a good story.
Corey: I have so many good stories. If you want to, I can go directly into how me and my brother and my mom saw the same shadow people for years and didn't know about it.
Kim: Oh, you mean each separately?
Corey: Yeah. So, my parents were obviously divorced. My dad lived in a trailer on my grandmother's property, like right next door to her. And my brother and I both would talk about, like independently, we would bring up a man in a top hat and a little girl in a white dress. That was just a fact. Like there was, there were these entities that lived, either on the property or nearby, that we both just knew about. Like, it kind of, it almost feels instinctual because we've known about it for so long that it's not something we've ever really questioned. And so whenever I was about, I want to say 10, my brother moved in with my mom. And so I was staying with dad and he was staying with mom. And I remember having a series of nightmares where something was trying to get inside of the house.
Kim: Oh no.
Corey: And I didn't know what it was, but I would have to run from front door, front window, back door, back to front door, front window, back door. And like, realistically speaking, this is maybe like 20 feet apart, so it's not really anything big, but the issue is, is that the thing outside got faster and got smarter as the dream would go on.
Kim: I hate it! I hate it.
Corey: Yeah, like so there's this level of consciousness to it. And then every time the nightmare would end would be right whenever I got to a place where the door or the window was just opening, and I had almost gotten to it, but it wasn't quite in time. And I would wake up in a cold sweat. And so.
Kim: Thanks for that, great. Thanks. (laughs)
Corey: You're welcome, sorry, yeah, my bad. Even in the notes, in the notes of the browser, whatever I'm typing in-
Kim: I'm in a small closet by myself.
Corey: Right, oh no. Like, whenever I was talking, whenever I was typing it out, at one point I put, talk about the man in the top hat, I'm sorry.
Kim: My back's to the door.
Corey: Oh no, I'm sorry. (both laugh) So I was telling my mom and my brother about that because I was just like, we were kind of like lamenting about like ghost stories that we all have kind of independently. And my brother was like, oh yeah, I had the same dream.
Kim: Oh no.
Corey: And I just looked at him and was like, we have lived on this earth for 15 years after I had that dream and you didn't tell me you had that dream? Like you've had, you've, you've known of consciously about this dream for like 20 years and you didn't tell me. And he was like, well, I just thought it was a dream. Like it wasn't a big deal. And then my mom goes, Oh yeah, no, that land's completely haunted. (Kim laughs loudly) And we both just look at her and we're like, we're like, I'm sorry, what? And she was like, yeah, there was like, so my grandma's from England and she would go to England pretty frequently. And well, she would go to England pretty frequently pre 9-11, after 9-11, obviously, like she was older and it was just harder for her to go through like TSA and stuff like that. And then also be on a plane for like 12 hours.
But my mom would watch my grandma's house while my grandma was in England. And so lived in the same trailer right next to my grandma. And she was like, yeah, one night I was watching grandma's house and some dude like just walked up onto her patio and was trying to get into her back door. So I called the cops because I didn't know what to do at that point, because I was alone with you two boys. And when the cops came, there was no one there. Like there was no signs of breaking in or there was no signs of breaking and entering. It was just kind of the house was by itself. And she was like, so I just kind of like chalked it up to maybe I was imagining things. Until the next night, the exact same thing happened again. And it was, it looked like the same guy. And she's like, but I was not going to kind of mess around with it. I would just grab my flashlight and was going to confront him because, I mean, we're a family of hunters, like we all have guns, like it's just a thing.
Kim: (laughs) Okay, okay.
Corey: And so my mom, like, got a flashlight and a gun and just, like, walked up to my grandma's house and there was nothing there. So my mom, getting freaked out that, like, there may have been someone in the woods or something, called the cops again. Oh no. But by that point, the cops are like, okay, well, we need to call your husband because something is actually going on with you. And you need to make sure that you're okay.
Kim: (laughs) Oh, yeah.
Corey: That lovely idea. So they call my dad, who was at work at that time. And so he rushes home. And he's like, what are you talking, like, what's going on? Like, you keep calling the cops about there's someone here, like, what are you seeing? And she tells him. And my dad is... Not a denier, but he specifically does not want to believe. Like, he knows that stuff happens, but he doesn't want to hear about it, kind of stuff. And so he completely denied it and was like, no, Becky, that's not a thing. Becky's my mom's name. No, Becky, that's not a thing. Just stop calling the cops. Whenever you see stuff like that just make sure the doors are locked and you'll be fine.
And I think that that's where the consciousness came in; is making sure the doors are locked and you'll be fine. Because my dad said that to my mom, and so now whatever this entity was, thinks that we think we are only safe if the doors are locked. And whenever mom told us about that, the room just got real quiet. And we were just like all staring at each other. And I was like, well, would have been great if I knew that before. (both laugh) And like, I mean, even since then, like within the last like seven or eight months, me and my brother have both had dreams about that entity. Mine kind of followed a similar pattern, just in a different house. And mine's even in a house that I've never seen before. And so I'm sitting on a couch with one of my partners, who I don't know at that point, because this person is kind of a stranger to me. And we both go up to bed, like we go upstairs to bed. And as we're laying down, my partner looks at me and he goes, did you lock the front door?
Kim: (whispers) Oh no...
Corey: I'm like, oh shit. I don't think I did. Let me just go downstairs really quickly and I'll lock it. And the front door for some reason is like at the foot of the stairs. And so like as I'm walking down the stairs, I see that the door is just a little bit ajar.
Kim: I hate it!
Corey: And I run down the stairs and close it. And as I'm closing it, I can see like on the other side of the door there's a figure and so I close it and I lock it and then like, there's a window kind of nearby that like looks out onto our front porch. And I look out the window and there is the same entity like the man in the top hat. Who looks at me and shrugs, and it's like the impression that I got in the dream is, well, you slipped up once, I can get in again. And like-
Kim: I don't like it, my stomach hurts now!
Corey: Right, right, and like, I'm sweating right now. Like, and it's stuck with me, like, hard. Like, I didn't wake up in a cold sweat like I used to, but I remember, like, waking up the next morning and I vividly remembered that dream.
Kim: I hate it. I hate it. I hate it.
Corey: Like every detail of it. I did not like it. And my brother had like two or three weeks later had a similar dream but the entity was inside the house, and my brother tried to confront him. And like essentially, it was essentially just like ragdoll fighting like a hurricane. Like it did make no difference. Like the entity didn't care about my brother.
Kim: So how does this affect your witchcraft?
Corey: Yeah it definitely, it leads really heavily into like my daily practices. Every day I re-up my wards. Like that's...
Kim: Really?
Corey: ... something, yeah every day.
Kim: I mean, if I had that crap following me, I guess I would too. (laughs)
Corey: Yeah. So every night before I go to sleep, it's kind of just like a little thing for myself. I do like a visualization meditation kind of thing. And I have... he amount of incense in this apartment right now, if I were to lit it all, you would think this piece is on fire, like that kind of stuff. (laughs) But I do pretty much weekly smoke cleansings. That currently has kind of waned just because here, like I moved cities about six months ago. And in the move my altar actually got broken.
Kim: Oh no!
Corey: Yeah and so I've been on the search for a new altar for a while now. I will tell you, like, but it's, I'm weird because I, with altars I'm very specific in that I don't want to just like go out and buy a table. Like, I want, I want something.
Kim: Too pedestrian. (laughs)
Corey: Right, right. Like, no, no, darling, I can't do that. It's too pedestrian. Like, like, I want it, I want something to call out to me, you know what I mean? And so, and I'm having more and more difficulty with it. But also, it's like, kind of making my practice suffer. Because it's now been six months, and I haven't been able to find an alter. So I think this is the universe being like, you need to stop being snobby. A table is a table. What you put on is what-
Kim: I agree with the universe. I mean, mine is just that shelf on one of those $30 Walmart-
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: It's the top shelf on the $30 Walmart bookshelf.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: But I understand the importance of getting what you need to be able to get into the feeling of it.
Corey: Right. And I've even, so like, my previous altar was, it used to be a computer desk that I used. And it seemed to always collect my witchy stuff and I could never figure out why and then one day I was just like, I'm taking my computer off of this and I'm just using it as an altar. Like, clearly that's what this is supposed to be. And that alone has been the best experience. And then it broke in the move.
Kim: That makes me suspicious.
Corey: Right. And so I still have the frame of it because it was a presswood kind of situation. So it was a metal frame with just presswood inlays. And I've kind of considered just going to Lowe's and being like, hey, can you cut me out a piece of wood?
Kim: Paying $7,000 for some wood? (laughs)
Corey: Right. Yeah. Or even just glass for now and then using just a glass top for the top part and then like...
Kim: Ikea, go to Ikea!
Corey: The closest Ikea to me is like three hours away. And I like...
Kim: Oh, that is a ways.
Corey: Yeah, and like I drive like a Kia Soul. So like, I could probably make some stuff fit, but I'm also like... So yeah, like I haven't been able to kind of practice with an altar for the past six months. I was actually like using this weekend to try to find an altar and I was unfortunately unsuccessful. So yeah, but we'll find it. We'll figure something out.
Kim: What would... so is the... was the saging... was that your first experience with witchcraft? Or just being in the Yule log room?
Corey: So I would have... Ooh, actually, that's kind of a hard one. I would have to say probably the saging would be the first experience. But the one that I like, the one that sticks out the most to me is kind of making pomanders with my grandma and like the Yule log stuff. Just because we did those, like it was a special treat almost.
Kim: Ceremonial?
Corey: Yeah like it felt more ritualistic because we would, so it was like the beginning of December, we would make pomanders and then of course they would dry out over like the month, and then part of the Yule log is we would like throw the pomanders into the fire with the Yule log.
Kim: I was hoping you would say that. That sounds amazing.
Corey: t's so good. It's like, and I've like, there's no way to recreate that smell. Because it's specifically like dried orange, but the orange is dried with clove. And like-
Kim: That sounds great.
Corey: Oh, it's delicious. Like it's, it's so good.
Kim: So what about, what is your first witchcraft experience when you officially decided I'm a witch and this is what I'm going to do?
Corey: Oh, so that that's kind of happened a couple of times in my life, where I've been like, I'm a witch, this is what I'm going to do. The most recent iteration, and I think the most impactful one, was I started really kind of making things for myself. And I started making candles for myself, just like specifically for practice. They're soy candles, so they'll melt kind of quickly. And I'll actually, I'll send you a picture of it. I have, I was listening to Witch Bitch Amateur Hour while I was doing this, and it was like specifically... a full moon candle, is what I was making. And so I like made it, I sat it out in the moonlight overnight to cure, and then I burned it over like the course of three or four weeks. Like I burned it every night.
And the last night of it burning, I was kind of like re-listening to the most recent episode of Witch Bitch Amateur Hour and it was going over Hecate. And so I was listening to it and I was just kind of like off in my own head, and I look over at the wall behind this candle that I'm burning. And I realized the shadow looks really weird. And like the dripping, like the drippings itself had kind of like fallen in a weird pattern and kind of built up in different places, and I'd never seen it before. And so I was just kind of curious and I like brought out my phone and the flashlight and I like shined my flashlight on one side of the candle and let the shadow kind of clearly hit the wall. And it looks like a woman standing over a cauldron with a dog on the other side.
Kim: Well, well.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: And that's when you decided? (laughs)
Corey: Yeah, that's when I was like I'm following Hecate. And then I thought about it. And like, there's been this weird coincidence my entire life that I've always lived at a three crossroads. Like always. Like, minus maybe once or twice whenever I lived like out in the boonies. But I've always lived within like, spitting distance of a three crossroads. And I was like, you know what, we're just gonna lay into it. We're into it. Let's go. Let's do it. I'm down for it. But yeah, that was kind of, that was my first big, like, that was the first point in which I was like, I'm going to do this thing, whenever I started making candles. And then right after that happened, I got my Hecate dripping. And essentially, from then on, I've kind of I've always practiced. I've had lulls of course and stuff like that but I've never, I haven't stopped since that point. And I think that's been kind of like the most rewarding thing because I think like especially as someone who has ADHD, like I'm really bad about kind of like hobby collecting? I guess like that's what I call it.
Kim: Yeah.
Corey: And so I'll Like get into a thing really really hard, and then I'll fall out of it really quickly, and then I won't ever pick it back up. And I did that for a long time in my childhood and kind of like in my early adulthood with witchcraft, but now I'm like intentionally and purposefully kind of doing the thing and it's made a huge difference in my life, which has been amazing; amazing.
Kim: So I have a question for you brought on by what you just told me.
Corey: Okay.
Kim: Do you feel like the Witch Bitch Amateur Hour sort of solidified your intent to really get into witchcraft?
Corey: Oh yeah, 1000%.
Kim: Me too! What is that?(laughs) It's magic!
Corey: Yeah, like I legitimately think it's because of the way that they approach things. Because I think a lot of times in the witchcraft community you get these kind of moments of people who are like "I've been practicing for 15 millennia, and I know I'm so much better than you and you always have to be perfect." And like Charlye and Macy are just people. Like they're like yeah, I know we're gonna fuck up, and when we fuck up call us on it, and we'll fix it. But we're amateurs. This is what we do. And I think that that, like, admission of the fact that they're amateurs, and kind of recognizing that, is what makes WBAH podcast group and community so amazing. Because, like, it gives you the ability to fuck up. And if you fuck up, that's okay. But just do your best to correct it.
Kim: Yeah, but what are they doing that is making everybody stick with it? Because I have been practicing since I was in my teens, like actively. But I don't ever stick with it until I started listening to them. It's real weird.
Corey: Yeah, honestly, I didn't even think about that, too. Yeah.
Kim: What are you guys doing to us?
Corey: They have sigils that they put on every single like episode.
Kim: How dare you? Consent. You have my consent. But what the hell?
Corey: Well, whenever you click play...
Kim: Okay, that's point. Touché.
Corey: I love it.
Kim: What is your biggest struggle when it comes to witchcraft?
Corey: It's ironic that you asked that after saying that. My biggest struggle is actually the routine of it. And kind of actually feeling like I am a witch.
Kim: I.e. imposter syndrome?
Corey: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah pretty much it because a lot of times like when people talk about like deity work and ritual work, they kind of lay into this, like with deities, you always have to recognize them on the fifth Sunday of every third month, and there's always like-
Kim: What?!
Corey: Right, like, it's, it's very kind of like, specific. And then with rituals, it's like, you have to do this exact thing. And like, that's, that's not who I am is just like a person in general.
Kim: I just can't do rituals.
Corey: And that's what I'm saying, that's not who I am. If you tell me that I have to do X, Y, and Z in order for my intention to go off correctly...
Kim: Are you a no person?
Corey: Huh?
Kim: Are you a no person?
Corey: What does that mean? I don't know what that means.
Kim: Okay, you know how Charlye was like, I'm gonna do it just because you told me no. I'm gonna do it.
Corey: Oh, yeah, I'm that person.
Kim: Me too.
Corey: Yeah I can't help it. I really can't help it.
Kim: I don't want to help it. (both laugh)
Corey: And like if you're telling me something that like I need to do for like my own health, like sure, I'm down for it, whatever.
Kim: I might be. (laughs)
Corey: Well, yeah, maybe. That's true. That's fair. But like if you tell me that like I have to do something something specifically in witchcraft, I'm like, first and foremost, you don't know who I am as a person, you don't know my power. Like, no, you sit down somewhere.
Kim: You don't know me!
Corey: Right? You don't know me. (Kim laughs) And then like, at that point, I will purposely do the thing you said that I can't do if I don't do it the specific way, just to spite you.
Kim: And it'll be a success, what. (laughs)
Kim: Exactly. And so like that's kind of like my biggest struggle is like that imposter syndrome feeling but also like the routine of it. Like I can't just like sit down and meditate for three hours.
Kim: Oh my god.
Corey: I know I know people.
Kim: Can you do anything for three hours? I can't. (both laugh)
Corey: No. No. Like you're listen you're lucky.
Kim: Besides a lot of things.
Corey: Like, I can sit down and talk to someone if we're having a conversation for like forever and not even realize the time is passing, but the second that I intentionally sit down to essentially do nothing, it's not going to work.
Kim: Lord.
Corey: It's not going to work. (laughs)
Kim: What would you say is your worst witchcraft experience?
Corey: Oh... Okay. Yeah. So It is this is kind of funny, so there's that...
Kim: Good because you've already terrified me!
Corey: (laughs) Yeah, no, no, yeah Which is funny like I put the terrifying stuff and like that Oh, this isn't that bad and then it like I put the funny stuff and like this is my worst experience. So I have a couple of experiences. One of the iterations of me kind of like pursuing witchcraft, my friend was dealing with a breakup and was just like feeling really down and stuff like that. And I did kind of like a new witch faux pas where I like quickly searched some herbs for kitchen witchery stuff, and I decided that I was going to make them a meal. The spices I chose were cinnamon and cayenne. I don't know why. And I decided I was going to make them a steak.
Kim: Oh.
Corey: The steak was very fatty.
Kim: (whispers) Oh. Yeah, I think I know where we're going.
Corey: I was in the middle of making this steak, and I had essentially created aerosolized pepper spray.
Kim: (sighs) Yep.
Corey: And we had to evac- like, I was living in a dorm at this time, like in college.
Kim: Oh, oh, God.
Corey: So we had to evacuate the kitchen. (both laugh) And like, my friend, bless her heart, I don't know how she did it, she still ate the steak. And I was like, you're so sweet. Please don't eat that. And she was like, no, I'm going to eat it. And I was like, no, please don't. And she was like, no, I'm eating it. And just like dug into it. And I was like, girl, you are brave. I could not do it. Like, nope. (both laugh)
Kim: Did it work?
Corey: I don't necessarily know if it was specifically the meal or if it was just the fact that I had done something super ridiculous and it made her laugh. (Kim laughs) I'm gonna lean more on that I did something super ridiculous and it just made her laugh. So it worked, but not in the way I intended it to. (laughs)
Kim: But your intent worked.
Corey: Yeah, it did. Yeah, just not in the way.
Kim: The universe heard you and said, I don't know what you're doing, but here.
Corey: Listen sweetie. You're trying real hard, we're just gonna throw you a bone here. Like, you went about it the wrong way, but hell is paved with good intentions, I guess. (laughs)
Kim: Ken and I have both done that.
Corey: Oh, no. What happened?
Kim: Because he loves hot peppers.
Corey: Oh, no.
Kim: But he doesn't seem to understand how heat works. I don't know.
Corey: Oh, no. (both laugh)
Kim: And then one time I was cooking and I didn't pay attention, and there was a pepper pod like under the thing.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: I was like, what the hell, I'm not using, why am I coughing? I'm not using peppers!
Corey: Right?
Kim: I was so angry. Luckily, that was when we lived in a place with a swamp cooler. Do you know how those work?
Corey: No.
Kim: Okay Basically, it's a just ignore it. We had a giant fan in one bedroom.
Corey: Okay.
Kim: And then you crack the windows around the rest of the house and it blows air out.
Corey: Oh, okay.
Kim: So I turned that thing on high. (laughs)
Corey: Yeah. (laughs) I've also had this fun experience. So, like, I have what I lovingly call a follower. It is not Man in the Top Hat. This is, like, a whole other thing. But they're a shadow person and it's kind of like always hung around my entire life. A lot of queer people are in tuned to spiritual stuff even if they don't necessarily understand it. And I had a gentleman caller over, and I live by myself. Like I've lived by myself for about a year now. And my bedroom door is open, because once again I live alone. And at one point during the act, he gets like real awkward, and he's like "Um is there someone here?" I just looked at him, and was like no I live alone. And he just like looks back over at the door like into the hallway. And I was like, we can close my door if you want to. And he was like, yeah, let's close your door. I was like, okay, cool. So I closed the door. And then like, after everything was said and done, like, me and him are friends. So like, it wasn't like an awkward thing or anything. I was like, hey, so you were seeing a shadow person, weren't you? And he was like, yeah, I just saw something like walk down the hallway. And it just freaked me out really bad. And I was like, yeah, I should have told you about that. I'm sorry. (Kim laughs) That's just, that happens here.
Kim: That's just them. It's just Brad.
Corey: Yeah, it's just my follower. It's fine. I apologize. I know that voyeurism isn't for everyone. So...
Kim: What is something you wish was more discussed in the witchcraft community?
Corey: So I'm going to preface this statement with a couple of things. Closed practices are closed practices and we should respect those cultures. And two, if something says that it is poisonous, do not eat it. I don't care what your intention says. However, those two warnings aside, I think that one of the big things that we should really discuss more is, while research is important, our own intuition is also pretty accurate a lot of the times. So, like, we all have, like, a gut feeling, right? Like, you can kind of just, like, feel if something is right or wrong. That's, I think that that's really instinctual. And as someone who's practicing witchcraft, we should listen to that more. Our bodies and our own spirit or soul, or whatever you want to call it, like our own energy is telling us if something is right or wrong. Like if the vibe is off, you're gonna know, right? And so I think that listening to that, and learning to listen to that, is super important. Because our intuition is there. Sometimes we have to exercise it and we have to kind of stretch it and work with it.
But self-doubt, I think, is something that a lot of witches deal with just kind of silently. Because we're so focused on our intention, and trying to make sure that our intention is correct, that we will self-doubt ourselves out of that intention. Or into a different intention that we don't necessarily mean to. So like if you feel something in your bones, like go for it. If it's like if it's not mentioned in a ritual or in a spell just do it. Because your intention is there. Like you know what you're trying to do, and then your intuition is telling you that you should add something or take away, once again, like assuming that maybe like, like, if you're making like a calming tea for yourself, you wouldn't put belladonna in it, obviously, like, we don't want to poison ourselves. But like, that intuition, I think is super important to listen to and kind of nurture that aspect. And I'm not saying like intuition for like divinity purposes, but just like, like that knowing feeling that everyone has, I think is super important. And recognizing that, and not doubting yourself. I feel like that's not talked about nearly enough.
Kim: And how it's punished out of us in school.
Corey: Yeah, exactly. Like, well, I don't feel like something's right, so I'm not going to do it.
Kim: Too bad, you have to go to school.
Corey: Right, exactly.
Kim: You have to get on this bus that will eventually, the tire's going to fall off.
Corey: Right, exactly. Or like, even people like, I have a bad feeling about this place. Yeah.
Kim: Oh, you're being, you're ridiculous.
Corey: Right, like I've been here so many times, like this is a fun place, let's just go inside and have fun. And it's like, no, like I'm telling you, I have a bad feeling about this place. We should not be here. And then like someone's ex shows up who is like an abusive piece of crap. And it's like, well, fuck my intuition, I guess. (both laugh)
Kim: Who or what would you consider the 3 biggest influences on your practice?
Corey: Can I cheat a little bit on this one?
Kim: You may. I'll allow it.
Corey: Okay because I think you already know where I'm gonna go with this.
Kim: I did glance it, yep.
Corey: And also like what I wrote down doesn't even necessarily accurate because I thought of more people. So I would say the WBAH podcast, so Charlye and Macy. I'm gonna count that as one person.
Kim: Me too, because I was thinking about this question for myself and they're just one.
Corey: Right. And then the WBAH podcast Facebook group. So both of those kind of together, I'm not counting as one, I'm counting those as two separate things because they are very much two separate things. The ritual of like always listening to WBAH on Wednesdays, combined with even just like the passive involvement that I have on the Facebook group, like as I'm scrolling through like my Facebook feed, I'll just like randomly see something witchy and nine times out of ten it's like the Facebook group.
Kim: Yeah. (laughs)
Corey: And I'm like, like that kind of always keeps witchcraft kind of in the forefront of my mind, which really does help and it does change a lot of things about how I practice. And the third person is actually going to be my friend Jasper. He's also from Appalachia, and we have a lot of similarities in a lot of our backgrounds. But also, whenever I want to talk about something witchy, a lot of times he's the first one to come to mind, just because we're from very similar regions. And he's kind of been someone that I lean on for spiritual guidance, I guess you could say, just because of all of the conversations that we've had. And I think we've done a couple of rituals together. I feel like we've done a couple of rituals together. And he's honestly one of like the most level-headed people that I've met. So it's, it's amazing to kind of have that person like in your corner so to speak. So between the WBAH podcast and the podcast group and then him, like I feel pretty solid. And of course, I have so many people, too, now that I'm thinking of that I'm like, well, I didn't mention this person or this person or this person.
Kim: Top five, go.
Corey: Top five, oh yes, you're awesome. (both laugh) So I have a close friend who lives in the same city as me, who is also witchy, and we've known each other for forever it feels like. And so anytime I'm experiencing something or something like that, I'll even talk to them about it and I'll just be like, hey, this thing happened. And one time I was, I feel as though I was being hexed by someone. And they were like, all we need is a jar, a name on a piece of paper, and a couple of nails, and we can get rid of it. I was like, oh, okay. All right, let's go! So that is four and honestly, so this is I'm gonna be that person. So I'm just gonna go ahead and like let you feel these feelings. You are legitimately like a huge part of it. And the reason I say that is because, and I don't know that you know that this happened. The first interaction that we really had, I reached out to you because I wanted to get like some sort of like something from your shop, And I couldn't, I couldn't pick. So I was like hey Kim, like I have no idea what I want from your shop but I want to support you and I want something from your shop.
Kim: I remember.
Corey: Yeah, and you sent me this box of just like amazing stuff, my favorite piece being like the stag beetle, I think it's a stag beetle, with, oh, synthetic opal. Well, it's beautiful. I love it. That's one of my favorite.
Kim: There's a fancy name for it, but I don't remember what it is either.
Corey: It's one of the most beautiful pieces that I have, and I love that thing.
Kim: I love seeing you wear it.
Corey: I love it so much. A lot of times I wear it for sister stuff.
Kim: I know! I love it.
Corey: Yeah, and it makes me so happy.
Kim: Me too!
Corey: So, yeah, and like, and at the time, like, I wasn't very vocal about it, like, in general, because I'm not one of those people for whatever reason. But I was kind of like going through a, like a tough time, like, in life at that point. Um, so it made a huge difference for you to like sit down with me and kind of like curate that little box and send it out to me. So yeah. Huge huge props. That was, that was awesome. So not to make you cry, please don't cry.
Kim: I'm not having a cry day apparently.
Corey: Okay perfect. Good good. But those are my top five people.
Kim: Oh that makes me feel real weird when people say me. (both laugh) Because I feel just like a stooge generally.
Corey: I'm not even going to lie, whenever you asked me to interview you, or when you asked me to be interviewed, I was like, why? I don't do anything special. I'm just on Twitter. I'm just the tweeter. I don't know why.
Kim: But everybody has stories, and you have an interesting viewpoint that I don't have.
Corey: Yeah, that's very true.
Kim: That I'll never have.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: Okay, are you ready for, I think you probably already know what these are. Oh, I forgot about this, actually. Who would you like to see on the show?
Corey: Um, so I'll be honest with you. I think, I think their name is Kacie. From the WBAH Facebook group.
Kim: The one who does this monthly spells?
Corey: Yeah I would love to hear them and like hear about their practice. I think that would be wonderful.
Kim: She's been on my list.
Corey: I, huh?
Kim: She's been on my list.
Corey: Oh perfect.
Kim: I would like you to give me a recommendation for anything at all.
Corey: Anything at all? Oh, oh, um... I am looking around my room to find recommendations for things. Ooh, music recommendation.
Kim: Ooh, okay.
Corey: There's a group called Mystery Skulls. They're kind of like an EDM kind of dance music. EDM pop, I guess you could say. They're like one of my favorite groups.
Kim: Okay.
Corey: Yeah.
Kim: And finally, tell me your favorite story to tell people.
Corey: Ooh, my favorite story to tell people. Let's see. You've gotten a lot of them, honestly.
Kim: It doesn't have to be witchy, just anything in your life.
Corey: Ooh, okay, so this is a cool one. It is witchy, and it is like in one of the lulls from Witchcraft that I had whenever I was younger. So I was working at McDonald's as like a snot-nosed teenager, and I was working with someone who kind of like perpetually just had back issues. She always had back pain and this one night it was just really bad. She was in tears crying because her back hurt so bad. And I wanted just like in my soul to give her some sort of reprieve from her back pain. Like I just I felt the need to give her some sort of like relief. And so I was like, hey CeCe come over here and hug me real quick. And she's like, okay, whatever. And so I hugged her and I remember putting my hands, like one kind of right where your ribcage ends, like at your spine, and then one kind of up towards her shoulder blades. And I just remember hugging her and in my mind, imagining energy flowing down my arms and into my hands and onto her back. And we were we stood there for, God I don't know, like a minute or two. It was it was a lot longer than most hugs usually are.
And when the hug broke, she was like, holy shit what the fuck did you do? And I was like, what do you mean? And she was like, my back does not hurt anywhere as bad as it did before the hug, so what did you do? And at the time, I wasn't practicing witchcraft or anything like that, it was just an intention thing. And I was like, I mean, I didn't do anything, I just gave you a hug. And I was just thinking about wanting your back to stop hurting. And she was like, dude, I think you actually did something to me. And I was like, okay, whatever, ha ha ha. And I walked away, because I was like, I don't know what to do. (both laugh) This is now weird, okay. And like the next day, because we pretty much just like always worked the same shift. The next day, like she came in and she like hugged me, like a huge hug. And she was like, "I don't know what sort of power you have. I don't know what the fuck you did to my back, but I have, I woke up this morning feeling amazing. So thank you for that."
And like for a week she talked about it. Like she, like whenever she would see me like she was coming in and I'd like maybe gotten there before her. She'd be like, there's my magic man and like would hug me and would talk, like she talked about it for like a week to our co-workers. And that was, that's like my favorite thing to think about. Like any time I'm having like a low moment in witchcraft, or like a low moment even in healing specifically with witchcraft, I think about that. And I'm like, you know what? Like I intentionally did it, yes, but I didn't have to do anything special. So that's okay. I'm good. Like I've got this.
Kim: Yeah.
Corey: So yeah.
Kim: What a good validating thing.
Corey: Right. And it's like, it's such a weird experience.
Kim: Now I definitely want you to hug me in fricking Anahata's revenge.
Corey: Yeah. Yeah, I'm totally down. It's going, I'm going to be there. I'm going to, I'm, I will find a way to make it happen. Just call in sick every day for like three days. Like I can't come in. (coughs)
Kim: Oh, that's the music behind. I can't come in. The screaming, everything's fine.
Corey: Oh, you hear people chanting in the background? That's my, I'm playing music.
Kim: Answering machine. (laughs)
Corey: Right. Have you heard of Wardruna? It's just Wardruna. I'm playing it, I'm burning some incense. I'm trying to like, get this stuff out of me.
Kim: Clear my throat. My lungs.
Corey: Right. Then of course my boss would be like, is that a weed thing? That sounds like a weed thing. No, it's not a weed thing. I can't smoke. Like...
Kim: Well, thanks for coming on the show and telling me stories.
Corey: Yeah, thanks for having me. It's been a wonderful time.
Kim: I guess I will see you on the internet.
Corey: Yeah, I will see you there and I will see you at Anahana's Purpose. We're speaking it into existence.
Kim: I hope so. No, I mean yes.
Corey: I'm going to be there.
Kim: Good! That's exciting.
Corey: Yeah. We'll be the Rainbow Lodge.
Kim: Yes. Okay, well, bye.
Corey: Bye.
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